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Like everyone in the world who doesn’t watch Fox News, I feel all white racists in Missouri should all be killed. However, there is just one small argument against it….
Massive non-violent protest is so much more effective….
To effectively protest, two things have to occur….
A) It has to be massive. Gigantic… Huge…. involving the heart-strings of hundreds of millions.
B) It has to be at a higher rung on the moral ladder than its opposite…
Both planks have to be in effect for the demonstrations to change policy…..
There are considerable examples demonstrating this: One: the Arab Spring. The size was there, and the freedom of the movement enthused populations more than the oppression of the status quo. Another was Ukraine. The oppression of one administration was balanced against the freedom of a new one. However in both cases, as it became apparent that the reality was replacing one oppressive system with another one, the enthusiasm dampened.
The opposite example demonstrates the need for numbers. Occupy was full of enthusiastic people. But though it had strong passive sympathy for its message against the one percent, it never generated the massive demonstrations needed on the scale of the Arab Spring….
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What will happen over the fallout of these two (examples of power able to act outside the law with impunity using a Grand Jury process as long as the victim is black), will depend solely upon whether you (and everyone else) goes to a protest demonstration this weekend… One is being held somewhere near you….
If very few show up (if you do not show up), then rightfully, this is not a real issue…. It is a fake one being broadcast by a few highly concerned individuals over the yawns of many…. But … If you do show up, and everyone else follows you to the demonstration, only then change is possible…
Democracy demands your involvement. The only reason you have freedom today as we speak, is because your bloodline, or your neighbor’s bloodline, chose to get involved in the sticky, messy ordeal of defending what was right… It is the only way change ever occurs. If you choose to not get involved: then hell with democracy… Might as well live under tyrants…
The money quote.: “We need that land for mining, lumber, drilling and fracking. Those resources belong to people like the Koch Brothers. The America Public has never done anything for us... said Republican House Member”. 3/26/14
“There’s money under those there parks” said another. “We shouldn’t be wasting that money just so future kids can see some purty scenery”
We are a tired generation… We grew up with ‘Nam. Which ever side we were on during the battle here in America over that police action, or war, looking back after it was done, …. we all knew it was wrong….
After that we thought all war was wrong, and unfortunately took some of that angst out on those who least deserved it: those coming back from the steamy jungles of hell…..
Against our will a certain president soon sent Marines into Beirut; what happened then reinforced our belief that an American war was unjustifiable and that all other means must be utilized to prevent American war from ever happening again…. Against our will, we propped up a Nicaragua dictator against some rebels. Against our will, we sold arms to Iran to use for paying for our support for that Nicaragua dictator, since a Congress elected by the American people, flatly said no to supporting him in Nicaragua… We found a way to do it anyway….
I remember Senator Rudman, (R-NH) saying at the hearing while addressing Oliver North,… “The American people have the RIGHT to be wrong.”
Oliver North had been insisting that even when Americans flatly say NO, one still must do what one deems is necessary, that whatever one deems necessary, is the highest moral truth. “Sometimes one has to go above the law!” was actually said by the defense at this hearing. Only one good thing came out of those hearings: we all were introduced to Fawn Hall.
But then… The Brits quickly regained the Faulklands. Then came Grenada, which went off without a hitch. Then Panama, which was successful and almost painless. Then came General Schwartzkopf. The 4th largest army in the world, was routed in hours, and in days, had been completely mopped up. Then came the Balkans. We were on a roll. We’d finally nailed down the successful formula of how to win in battle.
Today we say Iraq is a failure. But that was so not so just after the invasion. Inside Baghdad, the pulling down of Saddam’s statue, the victory of capturing Saddam, the ability of us to hand out billions of American dollars, initially gave this campaign the luster of looking like another success story…
Until we tried to steal their oil. The standard global rate of dividing oil revenues is that the US gets a 20% cut for the development, and Iraq would get to keep 80% because it is after all, their resource. That is how we deal with Nigeria.
But Brenner announced that we’d flip that to pay for the war, and that Iraq would be allowed to keep 20% because we liked them so much, and we’d only, by our good graces, take 80% of the revenues. 24 hours after letting that cat out of the bag, the first IED went off under a US military vehicle… Before week was out, the total was in the hundreds.
The luster was gone. We were an invading army, something we have not called ourselves since WWII. We always saw ourselves as the policeman who leaves as soon as order is restored…
Afghanistan likewise, got worse. Then Pakistan. Then Yemen. On the diplomatic front instead of doing no harm, .. we could do no good. Then Libya costs us an ambassador who was running guns through Turkey. He shouldn’t have been there; it should have been a low level staffer with security clearance.
This baby boomer generation knows that war is wrong. We know from experience. The only time it can be employed successfully, is a) when the whole world is united behind you, b) you go in and get out, and c) you have a structure that stays in place long after you are gone.
The only time it goes badly… is every other scenario.
Which brings us to Syria. Syria has no importance to anyone. (They couldn’t even defend the militarily advantageous Golan Heights in ’67!) Which is why we let the Russians have them.
People are going to die in Syria if a): Assad wins, b): the rebels win, or c): no one wins. The only thing changing upon this wars outcome, is which side will be massacred at war’s end. Hence the battle for survival over there now.
So by having the US intervene or not, we are choosing which side gets to kill the other after the hostilities die down.
The weakest argument for going in still left with standing, is that they used chemical weapons. In WWI, the British, French, and Germans all used chemical weapons. Are chemical weapons really worse than being burned alive? Or asphyxiated as a bomb blast sucks all the oxygen out of your lungs and the room? Or a milk jug sized piece of jagged metal shrapnel ripping and leaving a hole through your body? Or a mine being stepped on? I’m trying to think why chemical weapons are so much worse, except for the fact that we’ve been told” they are so much worse”?
A causality is a causality.
We understand “why” some say we should go into Syria. Because if we do not respond to chemical weapons in a big way, someone else will become confident and use theirs. There is only one way to keep the genie inside the bottle, and that is to never leave a opening for it to escape….
We also understand “why” one of our beloved School districts had a policy that suspended, and expelled those who brought weapons to school! Not just guns, but knives too. After all, the argument for punishing Syria, applies to soon-to-become high school felons too.
But, there came a time when the response generated by a policy, actually became the crime, You remember the little boy expelled who brought a cake to school, and his grandmother thoughtfully sent a knife knowing teachers usually don’t have utensils in their classrooms. The teacher actually cut the cake, served it, thinking nothing of it.. it was someone higher up, reviewing the situation, who said, “wait, that can be interpreted as a breach of regulations. Let’s make an example out of this little boy”. He was suspended and could have been expelled, except it eventually became news and public outcry was solidly on his side. The policy makers were laughed out of town.
Which is why, if you are making this decision, you need to stall. Acting quickly and decisively is equivalent to acting on rumor and innuendo. So what if Syria lied and shot the gas cannisters off?
Does a military strike create enough excellent good will to neutralize this bad act?
Ironically what is best for the US in this situation, is for Assad to stay in power, to have a zealous change in heart, to work closely with the USA to get his economy working, to becoming a partner in that region with the US, and to signing a treaty with Israel, as did the Egyptians many, many years ago…
What is worse for us, is if the jihadists win, push out the moderates and take over the reform movement (they always do), then go to war with Israel, Jordan and Turkey. Making ourselves into the evil empire will only create more explosions everywhere, flare-ups which would not have occurred had we taken the Jedi way, and used the “Force” in our possession, to make events on the ground turn our way and happen in our favor….
Realistically such a rosy scenario probably can’t happen; but if it did, were this to come about, there would be no doubt: Obama would be lauded as the best president we’d ever see in our lifetimes. The cost of failure is so low that it just might be worth the try.
The second point… which all us Viet-namers will well remember, is that you may win every engagement you participate in Syria, but you won’t win the war at home, and that… will suck all your energy away from all the good you plan to do before 2016.
It broke LBJ. It broke Bush II. Don’t let it break you….
I woke up. The sun was shining. Birds were chirping as normal. I had electricity, … and most importantly… internet access. I skimmed the news. No catastrophic events. No rioting in the streets. The biggest news was that Rick Perry was still a dick. But, we already knew that… I checked social media. Nothing happening. Everything was normal… The Dow Jones even opened this morning with a 100 point jump!
(Sigh of relief)….
I guess the world doesn’t end the night after DOMA gets repealed… Gee! Who would have thunk?
it is probably time to discuss this.
For years we have quietly known and accepted the negatives of having an NSA. Things like we need it for our protection, or it makes things safer, tended to overide our fears that they know too much already, and I can’t do anything in private anymore…
We accepted that as progress.
However, when you have an organization so secret, that members of Congress are shocked to find out what it is doing, that no one knows who is authorizing who gets spied upon and what, that when brought before the courts for overstepping the Constitution, it can’t be prosecuted because a) it operates under “secret” laws, b) with “secret operations”, c) authorized by “secret courts” …. it is time to shut the entire operation down.
Why do we have the NSA when we have the CIA and the FBI. The FBI covers domestic spying. The CIA covers international spying. So, unless we find out that there are aliens and the NSA is really running the world while we think otherwise, then it probably ought to go.
I find it interesting that those on the far right, and those on the far left are the most outraged by this disclosure. We’ve been stating that news on this blog after the story was broken back in 2007-8 and not one press person cared. I supposed the AP Story opened their eyes this time. Struggling to put a finger on why, I came up with the theory primarily by looking at Congress, that it is the libertarians on left and right who are against, and the conformist, primarily in the center who are acceptive. So this gives us a split where the bottom third and the top third of the political body are opposed to the middle third… If you look at Congress that is exactly how it splits up. Moderates are pro domestic spying, the libertarians are not.
Probably similar is the theory that those beholden to corporate interests are pro-spying, after all, that is normal in the corporate environment; interoffice spying is not limited by any judicial system because it is deemed to be private. Those aghast, tend to fight corporate intrusion from their original political perspective, either left of right.
What the NSA does, watch everything to discern what is happening to increase its chances of survival, is not new. Intelligence has been the secret success of many an empire. Knowing what someone will do before they do it, is pretty comfortable in a world where in a day, we probably pass within 10 feet of 10,000 people (that includes inside our vehicles).
That is what all governments with the capacity, do. The biggest argument against it, is that it is un-American. Sure we have the “ability” to do it, but do we have the restraint, not to…
America has always been ruled by restraint. When Washington was entreated to be the King, he restrained and said no. When the heads of Europe all bet that Washington would invent a method to stay in power, he restrained, and government turned over peacefully. When the US was left in charge of a broken Europe, it put it back together and went home. The only country to invade another and give it back willingly to its original owners.
We had a scare in Boston a while back. Did the NSA protect us then? It’s a secret, no one knows. In Newtown 26 bodies littered the floor of an elementary school. Did the NSA protect us then? When a gunman burst into Aurora firing into the audience, did the NSA protect us then? When Gabby Gifford took a bullet, where was the NSA? Did the NSA protect us then?
That is the point. We are always in danger. But our personal lives are more at risk if our private information should fall into a competitors hands, than being victim of a terrorist. In Boston just 2 people died. In Newton 26. But each and every one of us, is at risk that selective information from ones past, can be used in secret to smear each and every one of us, should it fall into the wrong hands.
What would happen if we shut the entire agency known as the NSA down? A big nothing. They overstepped. It is not knee-jerking anger to respond “Shut them down right now!” It it calm, cool reasoning tipping the balance, that points out simply that is the right way to go.
Twas the night of mid May,
The clouds were long shed,
The stars were all out,
The moon was half dead.
I’d just closed my eyes
In dark deepest dread.
I had a forewarning
Of what was ahead.
The river was foggy
So full of thick mist,
My eyes played tricks.
A hand grabbed my wrist
“What is it ” I cried
As my wrist was entwined.
“Come Hither”, it hissed,
in a voice harsh and sublime.
“In your search of pure knowledge
Things are not as you know
Shapes shift, spin around.
Truth lies buried under snow
Down becomes up, and up, is then down”
“Plant only one seed
Something evil will grow”.
Something dark is afoot,
In spirit it has stalked,
If it wins out tomorrow,
Education is debauched….
Tomorrow at Two
It will take place in Bright Light.
What I feared from my heart,
In that deepest dark night.
The 147th House would vote,
Without any debate,
On something important
To all our children’s fate.
War would soon be declared
On all those teachers who were right.
They’d all have to leave
Or stand up and fight.
A Bill with nice thoughts
Will be laid on the dock.
But in the dark wording it shields,
A most powerful shock.
Instead of making better,
It tears down all the schools,
Putting up cheap imitations
That mock all the rules.
No more shall a teacher know
What her calling required?
She could only hope like her kids,
Her scores would help get her hired.
Instead of knowledge, proven and direct.
She’d be tested on simply how well she could bet.
Praxis One and Praxis Two
Those tests of the best.
Would now be retired.
By which test could “bid” best.
Instead of old classics,
New standards were wrought,
“Romeo and Juliette” now replaced
By “How To Properly Clean a Pot”.
Twas necessary to learn prose they said.
No matter if such a bore.
It left no brain cells still standing.
Well done, Common Core.
Delaware’s education is 35th best.
That Includes the Ivy Leagues,
And all those good schools out West
“Not Good Enough”!
The gauntlet was laid
We must tear it down quickly
Our consultant’s need paid.
We must start something new!
We don’t know what it is.
But without old constraints
We can create it like jizz.
Who will do this? Good question!
That we do not know.
But when it gets done,
Arne Duncun will be here to show.
So we’ll make it mysterious.
And hard to deduce.
Make the poor teachers sweat,
Think they’re all in the caboose.
We can brainwash them now,
Do it before they begin.
They will soon work for peanuts
Because that’s all we’ll send in.
We won’t let them pass
Till their eyes all have tears in,
We’ll switch things around
Like we do on kids with Pearson….
We’ll make them earn B’s
To get into our class.
Those who don’t earn them,
Can get in with a pass.
These new tough standards
Will make bad teaching stop.
Besides we will need them
In our Race To The Top.
It says right here on line 53
“Must redo college standards”
Let us buy them new teacher ID’s
Which they can hang from their lanyards.
It says “redo”, not “raise levels” I see
Let us make up our creed
Raise them higher or lower,
Or even sideways if we need.
So let’s scrap what we have,
Make new in our image.
Trash all classic standards,
We’ll make it a corporate scrimmage.
The tests we used to have,
Were so hard and so tough,
Lets’ sub them with easy ones,
Those scores will rise with fluff.
When the kids scream about testing
We’ll know we’ve done enough.
Let’s water the standards
But tell them they’re tough.
Do it with ed- gobblyspeak.
So those dummies in House
Without even a peek,
Vote YES like a mouse….
Since what you get out
Is What you put in,
We’ll have robots for teachers
Their union will end.
But we got to be careful,
We got to act fast,
If they catch what we’re doing,
This campaign can’t last.
Strike quickly, strike fast
Strike them hard like a flogger.
Can’t let them hear the truth,
Keep them far from that “blogger”.
Oh we’ll smile, we will praise,
We’ll do what we must.
What ever it takes
To turn those standards to dust.
Make Teachers in our image?
Yes, that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll count ourselves lucky
If they can count up to two.
The children? Don’t worry,
They’ll be fine as we speak.
We’ll teach them with tests,
So their knowledge will peak.
Then when it does,
We’ll know that we have won.
Common Core is in place.
Our work is now done.
Our friends in this Biz
Will now pay for our way.
When we meet our next challenger
Thinking he has something to say.
The Battle is ending
The war’s almost won.
We just need some dumb asses
To vote in S.B 51…..”
The specter was silent
It paused for a while
“Who are you? I said
I saw a faint smile.
It turned slowly towards me
And gave me a stare.
I could feel the electricity
From the bottom of each hair.
“Tell me” I inquired,
just one more time.
But the vision was fading
Into many fine lines
All that was left were the eyes,
And they gave me a shiver
It then grew transparent,
It was the Christina river.
So my friends, if you’re up,
If you read this in the morn.
It wasn’t a dream,
You must sound off your horn.
You must call down to Dover,
Let them know how you feel.
Hell copy and paste this.
Let them know this is for real.
We are being bamboozled
By clever and wit.
Our children won’t learn
Anything, not one little bit.
Teaching requires
Something you can’t test.
Requires a human you respect
Pushing to do your best.
We are moving away,
From what has worked well.
We are tearing down Rome
And burning it to hell.
This bill is too rash
Though it sounds pretty good.
It needs not to be rushed,
But debated as it should.
If anything is to change
It depends now on all of you.
Without your quick input,
Like in the Senate, it will pass too.
It’s tearing down what is good
And replacing it with “what-ever”
Gotta be bad for the kids,
No matter hard they endeavor.
This bill needs work.
Though it’s ideas are nice.
It will mess things up royally
Without changes concise.
A simple amendment
Is all it would take.
To undo all the damage
And terrible things soon at stake.
A little snip of a scissors will do
Component V and Evaluations…
Just separate the two.
Because the way this is written
If you teach and you fail.
It’s the blacks and the poor,
Who lose and wind up in jail.
Their great teachers got fired,
Because they worked in the city.
The teachers in rich schools.
Got good scores, just sitting pretty.
This is the damage this Bill will soon do.
For under this plan
If your kids don’t test well,
Your career is so through
Doesn’t matter if their poor,
Or if their homes are all broken.
When it comes down to corporate,
All excuses are token
“it’s your fault” they’ll say
“It can’t be the test.
You’re lazy and useless
You didn’t do your best”.
Meanwhile in Newark,
Where teaching’s a breeze.
Just wave a magic wand,
And there is no pay-freeze.
Scores roll in higher
Because the curriculum is dumbed down.
Kids do all the work.
You smile looking down.
So reader, what do you think…
As is, what will this bill do?
If you were a new teacher,
if it was you starting anew.
Would you go to the city?
Where opportunity lies?
Teach out your heart?
And stifle your cries?
Or would you choose
The easy way out.
A lifelong career
With no second doubt.
It is so important
That this bill get changed
Otherwise our system
Will split from the strain.
Decouple the evaluations
From component Five.
Let’s do what we can
To keep education alive.
This bill needs work
On quite a few levels
That will only happen,
If this vote gets disheveled.
If you love your kids,
And kids of all ages,
Make them retract their pledges.
They don’t know what’s in this bill.
Because they were told it’s ok.
Only the parents who vote
Can still save the day.
This is you I’m telling
Just so you know.
You need to go here,
And call all that you know.
Send them this poem,
It will get their attention,
Then give them the pitch,
Tell them they’ll go to detention.
What they’re about to do,
Is destroy our great state.
By Dismantling educational.quality
And by then it is too late.
This bill is on rush,
That i can tell you.
Vacation is coming.
But hopefully they’ll hear you.
Say “This Bill Cannot Pass”
Exactly as it is written.
“Change it, change it now
Before you get smitten”.
I hope these few words
Don’t fall on deaf ears.
I don’t want to see children
Through veils of thick tears….
It is you, it is me,
Who must carry this fight.
It is we who are parents.
We have the most right!.
.
Courtesy of lolsnaps.com
When attacking an enemy it is best to hit them at their most vulnerable part….
With North Korea, that would be to sever the support their leader and the military gets from it’s people. The entire extravaganza is being perpetuated for domestic consumption.. There are some serious cracks appearing in the North’s support for the “kid”. And why wouldn’t there be? What legitimacy does he bring as the head of state?
In the past year, things have gotten worse for the citizens of North Korea. This saber rattling is the “kid’s” last chance to lead… Rumors abound of multiple future plots being devised against him….
It is in the US and the rest of the world’s best interest to make this dissolution happen. Someone less irrational, smarter, and a lot more stable would make everything in that region settled and stable.
Aggressive Military action has the opposite effect. When the state is threatened people flock to the leader. Just look how democrats flocked to George W. Bush. Engaging the “kid” in military fashion will solidify the people behind him….
Our goal is to have the people solidify behind someone else. At the same time, keep our military prowess at top proficiency to prevent others from taking us on simply thinking we are weak….
Here is how.
If provoked, we take out North Korea’s air defenses. Then we airdrop food by having it parachuted into starving neighborhoods with the words, from your friends the United States of America….
We do and the point gets made.;. Gee North Korea, if you’d just take care of the “kid”, your lives will quickly get a lot better.
The only recourse the kid would have, would be… see I made them drop food for you….
North Korean’s aren’t dumb. Just knowing that the world is pulling for them to rid the “kid” might be enough to make one of those current rumors swirling around the impoverished countryside, turn into reality…..
“You may well ask: “Why direct action? Why sit-ins, marches and so forth? Isn’t negotiation a better path?” You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks to so dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. …”
Martin Luther King Letter from a Birmingham Jail April 16, 1963….
Courtesy of Fox Productions.
On a Conservative blog which I won’t name to keep up the appearance of respectability, some amazing comments were posted. When you approach them in remembering that we are dealing with a school shooting, a theater shooting, and a congressperson shooting, (as well as a mall, a church, another school.) none of the comments deal with that reality.
Instead the conversation becomes one on a made up topic, in this case, … that they were going to lose their guns….
The framing of their thought process begins with this: since we are at war with our own government (going on long before the shootings) keeping all weapons in individual’s hands is our first priority, it is the one worth fighting for. Children?” What children? Oh, those? Children die of natural causes all the time. (plus they don’t vote, they do “suck up” their parents resources, and they want things “given” to them, so they don’t matter..)
Here is how their brains work…. Pretend it is you starting the conversation and you need to talk to your spouse, bf, etc, about finances….
“Hey, … we need to talk… This check book is not having its totals kept up….”
“Oh, my Goodness….. Just like that? It’s over just like that?”
“No, No, No… I want to talk to you about our finances….”
“They are younger than I am, isn’t it.. I gave you everything and you are tossing me away. I got wrinkles for you. I sacrificed for you!” I hate you…” (the shrill”screaming begins…)
“No, Calm down. Please. Don’t … Relax… I just need to talk to you about our finances. Look, it’s about the checkbook…”
“OH MY GOSH!… are you closing our bank account? How will I live. You are taking a vacation with them, aren’t you… You stole all our money and you are leaving today, aren’t you!…”
“No, once again. I’m not mad at you. I love you. .. I always love you… I just want to make sure we are on the same page on this checkbook, that is all.”
“Oh, now you are blaming me, huh? It’s all my fault! I never did you wrong and this is how you treat me… I’m calling mom…”
“Mom! I just got thrown out of the house… Yes, he’s taking a vacation with some vixen, I guess he knows her at work. The kids? He didn’t say. I guess he’s keeping them tonight. Can I come over? I’m a mess, I hurt, I can’t stand up. I’m in shock. Hold on, Mom, here he comes….”
“GET AWAY! GET AWAY! STAY AWAY! DON’T GO THREATENING ME! Mom, quick call the police….”
LOL… That is what talking to a conservative about guns is like… They can’t reason. They attack you for doing the worst thing to them when you just wanted to discuss a minor adjustment. They are psycho….
Oh, so now I’m exaggerating? Ha, ha… Look at these excerpts… Now these came from party chairs, county chairs,… former state-wide Republican candidates, … this is a high touting thread… none of their comments deals on the topic of Sandy Hook, or any other mass murder across our nation, caused by assault weapons and high capacity clips….
Here is what they say…..
Some examples….
Obama is going to take guns away.
The military is going to take guns away.
Democrats want to grow government bigger and bigger.
Obama is a statist pure and simple.
Does government have the power to reverse the existence of evil in the world.
World’s first murder occured thousands of years before the first gun was invented.
You want to take/eliminate/control over 300 million weapons but you oppose any effort to control illegal immigrants numbering about 12 million who are in plain sight.
Unlawfully armed criminals will have their way with you and your family at will. When every second counts, the police are only minutes away.
Government will do whatever it can to suppress freedom and liberty
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You really think government will willingly submit to the electorate IF that electorate possesses no means to physically defend and enforce their own rights.
You have no real knowledge of how many military personnel includig officers would side with the people if the people were forced to take up arms against a tyrannical government.
Capabilities possessed by our government (much of them) would quickly line up alongside the armed citizens and against elected leaders
The Soviet Union collapsed for one and only one reason: The military (much of it) would not carry out orders to fire on their own countrymen.
If the people put up some serious resistance, they would quickly be joined by at least half, probably a majority, of the military of the United States.
All the officers fighting for the South and the North were allpreviously the military of one unified United States of America.”
If 500,000 armed men and women take to the streets with weapons to fight tyranny, the military for at least half of it will support the people
The progressive liberal government will use any excuse (Sandy Hook) to further their goal of disarming the American Public. The only thing standing in their way is the Second Amendment
I used a quick reasonable number of people who are armed. Even the ones that didn’t come out on the streets are in their homes armed.
The people are not going to fire on the military for the same reason that the military is not going to fire on the people.
The Soviet tyrants fell when the people marched on the legislature
Military would be ordered to go and disarm the people in clear violation of the Second Amendment…. and the military would simply refuse.
Liberals tried to teach the military to DISOBEY unlawful orders ever since the FAKED atrocities in Vietnam trumpeted by liar like John Kerry.
Maybe we should have IQ tests at the polls, too.
When guns are taken from law-abiding citizens, only criminals and law-enforcement will be armed.
The military would disobey an order to fire on an armed population marching on a tyrannical Congress or White House.This would work only BECAUSE the people are armed.
ONLY because the people are heavily armed would the US military feel confident disobeying orders and siding with a legitimate and proper Second American Revolution.
The Nazis murdered 11 million people — not battlefield deaths, outright murder — BECAUSE they disarmed the people.
The only role that guns played in those 6 million deaths were that the Nazis had ‘em and the Jews didn’t..If those 6 mllion Jews had been armed,…
If evil and murder have been rampant for thousands of years BEFORE the invention of the gun, why are you focusing on the gun?
The Military would feel more strongly about joining an armed insurrection that was shooting them as opposed to unarmed protesters they were being ordered to murder
It isn’t the military the people would be shooting.
Let’s remember, folks: IT IS ILLEGAL FOR THE MILITARY TO OPERATE WITHIN THE BORDERS OF THE UNITED STATES
US military were involved in any way inside the borders of the USA, that itself would be unlawful and a reason for the military to disobey orders.
The armed insurection you postulate would be marching on the Congress — not attacking army bases.
nobody ever suggests that the First Amendment has to be justified by questions about “WILL IT WORK?”
A skilled bowman can kill people just as fast or faster with a cross bow
What about Fertilizer and other chemicals killed 168 people and injured 680 others. Not a single gun involved.a person who walks a bundle of 12 sticks of dynamite into a school auditorium or shopping mall?
4 million Jews went to the gas chambers because they did NOT have guns.
How many guns were involved in the 9/11 terrorist attacks in which 3000 people died?
The 2nd amendment is not perfect but stands as a major deterent to our Government becoming a dictatorship of any kind.
You can pass all the laws you want to start the process of disarming the civilian population, instead of enforcing the laws that are on the books and the result will be the same.
If and when there comes a time when our Government attempts to take away million of legally owned firearms beware of what they will try and take away from you next i.e. your freedom.
Wandering around a school looking for victims, like at Virginia Tech (which involved an ordinary pistol), a skilled crossbow fighter (1) could kill more people because no one would hear gun shots and react or run, and (2) could kill as many people. Are people less dead if it takes 10 minutes instead of 5 minutes?
It does not matter if American civilians are armed or not, the military won’t fire on them.
So if the US military were ordered to fire on US civilians, they would probably turn around and ARREST the person giving them the order.
Liberals imagine soldiers to be these stupid, mentally-retarded robots who don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh or Fox News.
If there were a Second American Revolution as Thomas Jefferson strongly recommended, it would follow a series of clearly illegal acts — such as confiscating guns in violation of the Second Amendment, violating the debt limit illegally, etc.
If there were an impending confrontation, a delegation would go under a white flag to appeal to the police or military to obey their Constitutional oath and sit this one out or join them.
Peaceful demonstrations never have and never will accomplish anything by themselves — although I have organized and participated in many of them.
I have never felt more threatened and in personal danger than when demonstrating near liberals who go insane with uncontrollable anger when conservatives are involved in a peaceful demonstration that disagrees with the liberals.
How did the peaceful demonstrations work out for the Chinese in Tiannemen Square? A demonstration only works IN COMBINATION WITH THE IMPLIED THREAT BACKING IT UP.
In the USA, the demonstration has an impact ONLY because it can motivate the voters TO THROW THE BUMS OUT on election day.
First, there is NOTHING the government can do, to eliminate mass killings across America.
Trying to ask the question “What should we do?” presupposes that there IS ANYTHING that the government can do. That threshold question has not been addressed… because it cannot be addressed.
Jack the Ripper killed a lot of people in London without a gun.
What about a nut job walking a bundle of dynamite into a school auditorium assembly? What about a bomb made from fertilizer like in Oklahoma City at the Murrah building?
Second, are there things we as a society could do to rid the society of evil? YES, but not through the government. We need to repent and return to God.
Ban violent video games as OBSCENE. Obscenity — which is DIFFERENT from pornography under the law — can be banned
Stop Hollywood from making extremely violent movies. Movies like “Saw” (continuation of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre) are legally OBSCENE. They should be banned outright.
Punishment for murder should be swift and certain.
Stop excusing criminals who break the law. Punish law-breakers, don’t coddle them.
Get rid of soft on crime judges.
Ban abortion, which encourages murder of children. If it is okay for parents to kill their own infant — now in the tens of millions — what is wrong with a gun man shooting children in a public school?
What is delusional is your belief that attacking army bases is how an uprising to stop a tyrannical government would occur.
The only reason an armed population would go near the military is to RECRUIT THEM..pointing out chapter and verse as to how the government was violating the Constitution and no longer legitimate.
If your 19 year old were in a unit ordered to fire on American civilians, EVEN IF fired upon, he would probably fire into the air and intentionally miss. Not being as stupid as you think soldiers are, he would realize that the conflict was with his commanders, not him, and if he was not confident enough to arrest his commander (not knowing how others in his unit would feel about that), he would most likely discharge his weapon intentionally missing.
So again your argument depends upon assuming only the stupidest possible behavior, rather than a rational sequence of events.
They are the cream of America. They go into the military out of honor and duty for the best interest of the country. If they saw that the government was acting unconstitutoinally, they would be eagerly waiting for the right moment to join the populace without getting shot for desertion.
You are addressing the wishes of a tyrannical government, not what would actually occur.
Would the military or National Guard obey after seeing that the tyrannical government is violating the Constitution and the law?
If the cause is hopeless, because the people have no guns, then the military and Guard would probably just fall in and obey orders, seeing no other choice.
Imagine a soldier contemplating disobeying an order asking the soldier next to him: “Are you with me?” If the other soldier is NOT with him, that soldier would turn him in as a traitor and the first one would face arrest or being shot.
If the American people continue to be armed with 270 million guns, many or most of the military and Guard would simply refuse to show up to defend a tyrannical government.
This is what happened in Moscow. The dissidents approached the soldiers, TALKED TO THEM, APPEALED TO THEM, gave them flowers and shared a drink with them, the soldiers stepped aside, and the dissidents passed through and took control of the national parliament.
You liberals cannot grasp the difference between the military, whom patriots would have no interest in fighting and tyrants usurping the government who are NOT the military.
If there were a need for a Second American Revolution, the guns would be used to arrest the POLITCIANS — not to go looking for good-hearted patriotic soldiers to SHOOT AT for no apparent reason.
The Second Amendment stands. It is the law. Nor do you need guns to overthrow a Government.
But quite often- as was the case in 1776- you do. It was the judgment of our Founders that the right of the people to keep and bear arms — ALL KINDS OF ARMS — shall not be infringed, including to protect liberty against tyranny.
It does not change the Second Amendment or the considered judgment of most other people that having guns in the hands of the people is the surest and greatest protection of our liberties.
You don’t have facts! You have only shown that you have a different opinion.
The end, (for now)…..
kavips 