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This state bill was to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill. It achieved a roadblock when the idea was broached that mentally ill people would not seek help if it meant the loss of their guns…
The bill was voted down on this fallacy.
If someone is mentally ill and has guns, there are four possibilities… Four….
Mentally ill with guns and bullets // Mentally ill without guns and bullets.
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Mentally healthy with guns and bullets // Mentally healthy without guns and bullets
Of those four possibilities stretching across the plateau of human existence, only one is dangerous to fellow human beings…
A mentally ill person who has guns and bullets….
Now that we have isolated the problem… Let us look at it more closely….. we again divide by the four possibilities…
Mentally ill will get help and use his arsenal // Mentally ill will get help and not use his arsenal
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Mentally ill will not get help and use his arsenal // Mentally ill will not get help and not use his arsenal.
Of those four possibilities we now have two that are dangerous to innocent human beings.
Mentally ill who will get help and still use his arsenal, and Mentally ill who do not get help and will still use their arsenal….
Therefore across the panel of humanity, all races, all genders, all classes, every non-accidental shooting death is caused by the hand of a mentally ill person owning a firearm, whether under treatment or not…
Most of the more famous murderers in history have had treatment for their psychosis. Most of those being treated still had access to their firearms, and for what ever reason, choose to use them….
As of this point in history,… as far as I can find on today’s search engines,… there has never been a gun-caused mass murder by someone who had no access to guns…
Again, people in psychiatric care have blown other people away; people without guns, have never done so…..
Only one conclusion from this logical exercise can be gleaned….
If you voted to allow the continence of mentally-ill people owning guns, no matter what flimsy reason you used to assuage your guilt, you cast a vote for an upcoming future mass-murder.
If you voted to disallow the continence of mentally-ill people from owning guns, you took the only step in the right direction that would do anything to stop its re-occurrence…..
People in treatment still kill when they have guns. Without guns, one rids oneself of the problem….
The bottom line: to allow a crazy person to have a full blown arsenal, is madness. To think that allowing him to have a full blown arsenal will make him more likely to seek treatment, is not thinking straight….
There is only one solution; redo HB 88….
In passing I acknowledge that this is an emotional issue for those on both sides. When we use emotions to think, none of us think straight. If ever the time should arise where we as a society make that choice to think straight, then keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill goes a long way to preventing mass murderers from happening: …. Logically speaking of course.
Courtesy demandaction.org/fatalgaps
Delaware is one of the top seven highest-performing states for submitting mental health records.. Comparatively we have compared to other states lead the nation on its rebound from Newtown Connecticut’s shooting. The map holds some surprises. Virgina is also a responsible state, proving that being responsible and doing the correct thing, does not impose pain and suffering on regular gun owners…. Texas, Colorado, and Oregon are close, showing that this is not a conservative or liberal matter. This is a common sense matter.
Time to ban high capacity clips and assault weapons since such are sanctioned by everyone, conservative and progressives alike.
The background check, which would have prevented a lot of killers from getting guns, actually passed by a majority vote in the Senate. 54- 46….
Unfortunately Republicans (who if they had soul it would be owned by the NRA), instead invoked a 60 count vote. Remember the Kuwait War? That was supported by a vote of 52-47… More Senators support background checks than voted to go to war against Saddam Hussein the first time…. And we went to war.
So even though a majority of Senators were overwhelmingly in favor as is over 90% of Americans for making it harder for murderers to acquire guns, Republicans forced the bill to fail, so every criminal can now get guns far more easier than before….
Republicans voted for criminals.. Democrats are against them…
Every Republican who is against background checks needs punched in the face… Just without warning, say “damn you” and try to pop their nose…
Now, now, now… Don’t do it in anger… Do it because you love them. You are popping some sense into them, nothing more…
One of these days they will thank you for it….
“Oh, man, I don’t know what was wrong with me… I was like in a trance. Right was wrong, Wrong was right, It was like I was hypnotized, like I’d been drugged, I had to support hardened criminals even though I really, really, deep down knew it was wrong against God, Country, and my fellow citizens….
Thank you so much friend, for popping me back to reality….”
Seriously, if I were as messed up as these knuckleheads, who think kids of Newtown are nothing but collateral damage for their right to shoot whomever they wish, …. i would want punched in the head as well…
So do them a favor. If you see a Republican who supports gun rights, make their lip bleed; it’s their answer to a prayer….. Since you can’t beat them up in social media, just pile on. If every time they crow, hundreds to thousands of people call them out, it is almost as good as getting punched in the face. I know a lot of us hate to be negative in social media. But this is for Citizens and Country, damn it. You have to call out 2nd Amendment Rightists for what they are: aiders and abettors of criminal activity….
Trust me, as soon as they wake up, you’ll be their new best friend….. ❤
By coincidence, two articles came up side by side. One involved the verdict of the Steubanville case and the other a very racist incident at a CPAC forum in DC yesterday.
In both, the perpetrators were southern white males who think they world owes them everything, who felt they were entitled to do whatever they wished simply because they were southern and white.
In one a woman was raped and left for dead.. In another, a shouting match occurred between white supremacists and very conservative Afro Americans, right inside the CPAC forum itself…..
The Steubenville verdict went against the males, but the whole town had rallied around the football star who performed the rape, bragged about his conquest, and painted the woman as one causing the crime. Her crime he said? She went to a party… Implication?. If you don’t stay at home, you are legally allowed to be raped…
This is the typical thought process among conservatives, even here in Delaware… To them the law exists only to protect the rights of the most powerful. The law protects wealth. It matters little what the law actually says on paper. If you know a sheriff (even if he is only a paper pusher) you can get out of any crime you want… BAM! Case dismissed.
Likewise. in the CPAC discussion, in trying to “teach” conservatives how to talk about “those people” the example of Frederick Douglas, a former Republican, was brought up as the proper example..
“Frederick Douglas forgave his slave masters.” The reply was: What!! For giving them food? For giving them shelter?”
The conversation then turned vicious on all those Conservative Afro Americans in the presence of that group…
“I don’t care how much the KKK improved,” one said. “I’m not going to join the KKK because the Democratic Party founded the KKK.” (If it was founded by Republicans, he’d join; just like he was against Republican healthcare only because Democrats borrowed it and ran with it).
When one conservative who took offense at the suggestion modern Democrats were descendants of the KKK, tried to ask a question later once things finally calmed down. She was booed and screamed at by audience members.
“Let someone else speak!” one asshole in Revolutionary War garb shouted.
“You’re not welcome!” a white-haired older woman named Eileen, yelled.
Many of the conservatives interviewed said they enjoyed the event. “Bout time the truth ’bout us whites got out there..” “They were just telling the truth,” another said.
As the media swarmed around the white supremest, a woman wearing a Tea Party Patriots CPAC credential who had shouted down Brown earlier urged him not to give his name to the press. When asked, she wouldn’t give her name either..”.There’s no doubt the white males are getting really beat up right now cause they’re stupid! , It’s unfair,” she said. “I agree with that!. My husband’s one of them. ”
Another said…” if you let Blacks cast a fraudulent vote you are depriving someone else of the right to vote, because you are canceling a vote that was legitimately cast by White people.,” he said ” white culture was being denigrated” “I’m not going to make a general statement about that, but obviously whatever culture you come from there’s somebody who is opposed to it,” he stammered.
CPAC later sent a white washed email to TPM that blamed the entire disruption upon a black woman who supposedly worked for the government of Russia…..
And despite the prayers of the townspeople of Steubanville, all three males were guilty as charged of multiple rape…..
So what does this have to do with you?
If you give up. If you relax and stop fighting. If you turn your attention elsewhere for a brief moment, this ugly undercurrent which is very strong, will surge, rise up, overrun and ruin your lives….
We can’t have that. The last election is not over. There is another one coming up in less than 20 months… One has to hold the Republican Party accountable for sanctioning and allowing these people to represent them. The Republican Party needs to cut these awful people off. It needs to say, “you are not my child; from now on, you do not exist…”
The slime will then, without attention or support, crawl back into their holes and go away….. There will always big, fat, ugly earthworms… Fortunately they always remain underground and we never see them…. Only when the Republican Party cultures them and brings them out into the open… ….. Only when it rains.
Point is. If the Republicans don’t call these horrible people out, and excomminicate them entirely from the party, no one! no one! should vote for any Republican until they are gone!..
Btw, things are going very well in Delaware with an all Democratic government top to bottom. Perhaps the rest of the nation would like to have things work out well too?
At least, have a party that doesn’t promote the rape of women and racist violence against anyone who is not a dumb white male?
In the bi-partisan Senate(sic) negotiations broke down today on figuring out how to accomplish background checks for hand held weapons…. By an overwhelming majority, Americans support the notion that every gun be registered to a single owner, and if a crime occurs, that owner can be charged with a conspiracy to that crime, provided he had not reported that weapon stolen….
A reader has brought up the major fear all gun owners have on getting their guns registered. They hide behind the Constitutionality that registering guns with the Government, is the first step to confiscation. This is not their real reason.
Their guns are illegal. Not to them, But at some point in the past, they bought a gun in a shady private deal that did not require a background check, and the possibility lurks that their weapon they’ve had for years, probably in all fairness, was actually the stolen property of another gun owner….and with a registry, that fact will be found out.!!!
As soon as a registry goes into effect, computers will begin matching the numbers….
And, it is not these law abiding gun owner’s fault. They performed their transactions legally, and the seller of the weapon probably in good faith, performed the transaction legally…. But with the ability to trace weapons, a gun registered in 2013 can be found to have been stolen in 1989…..
Obviously this is a real fear. I think all of us would feel the same. I know I would. Likewise, for us to move forward in taking effective action to prevent future tragedies like Newtown, we need to solve this issue.
The reality is that these once-stolen guns, are now in new homes, and those new owners are law abiding citizens… Without a registering of firearms, this criminality, possession of stolen merchandise, would never have been determined…
So by declaring no one will be prosecuted for having stolen merchandise, would go a long way to make sure fixing one injustice, does not create another…
We need amnesty against any legal action taken to retrieve ownership of a long lost gun. In most cases a statue of limitations would be long in effect, but we need a blanket Federal amnesty protection given priority over state an local laws on criminal prosecution….
We need this amnesty because we need universal background checks.
That accountability is key to holding criminals responsible.. As we go forward into the future, we will need that clear accountability to control which guns confiscated from criminal belong to law abiding citizens who can then get return of their stolen possession, and which guns confiscated can lead us to more criminals who are using the current holes in our system to funnel guns to 7-11 and convenience store robbers….
We need oversight and accountability to accomplish this….
And putting law abiding citizens at risk for crimes of the past of which they were unaware, gets in our way of doing what an overwhelming number of Americans want…. closing the ability of criminals to get possession of guns…..
I think tacking amnesty for gun owners covering any issues a gun registry may illuminate, needs to be in any gun legislation bill put forward…. It is no different from granting immunity, which across this nation prosecutors do every single day……..
So let’s get it done.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
What the NRA is proposing: that every man become his own enforcer of his own view of “constitutionality” by having his own masses of whatever firepower he so chooses, … is the exact opposite of being well regulated. As we see with every new report of shootings, it promotes anarchy.
If we assume that a civilian population is required to keep arms to protect itself from tyranny, then by the words of the Constitution itself,… we have to regulate those very arms…
We can regulate them by banning assault rifles. We can regulate them by banning high capacity clips. We can regulate them by registering every firearm to a single owner, and holding that single owner accountable for whatever accident befalls that gun. We can regulate them by requiring insurance, and if there are those who refuse to abide by the constitutional regulations, we can incarcerate them and be done with them.
The Constitution allows for firearms, only IF THEY ARE WELL REGULATED….
So, in order to validate the Constitution, let’s regulate all firearms….. Failure to do so, is a violation of the Founding Father’s own principles, and is unconstitutional….
It says so right there in the Second Amendment. Care to read it?
So, I know the title gives it away, but what do the:
Ambulatory Pediatric Association,
Gray Panthers,
Congress of Neurological Surgeons,
National Association of Chain Drug Stores,
United Methodist Church,
General Board & Church Society,
Drew Barrymore – Actress,
Christie Brinkley – Model,
Doug Flutie – NFL player,
Art Garfunkel – Singer,
Helen Hunt – Actress,
Britney Spears – Singer,
James E. Carter – Former President,
C. Everett Koop – Former Surgeon General,
A & M Records,
Ben & Jerry`s Homemade, Inc.,
Blue Cross Blue Shield – Kansas City,
Hallmark Cards,
Kansas City Chiefs,
Levi Strauss & Co.,
Sara Lee Corporation,
Southwestern Bell Telephone- St. Louis,
St. Louis Rams,
Stoneyfield Farms Yogurt,
The Christian Publishing Society,
Gannett News Service,
Motorcycle Cruiser Magazine
and the YWCA of the U.S.A…….
all have in common?
Can you still tell me with a straight face that these aren’t kooks, or weirdos, or crazies? The NRA is the pond scum of America. I’m all for legitimate gun rights as everybody knows… but fellow gun owners? These guys ain’t doing you no favors!
Courtesy of Reuters per Daily Kos
“I find it to be scary, creepy, it simply is not based on logic. I can’t relate to that kind of thinking.” Chief Johnson, Baltimore County Police Chief in response to Wayne LaPierre’s statement that entire military arsenals are needed to protect citizens from the police…
Protect citizens from the police…. Wayne LaPierre: Head of the NRA
From the police.
Draw you’re own conclusion. These guys are the sickest human beings we have ever had in the United States of America. These guys need locked up.
Courtesy of the NRA
This ad would appeal only to the sliver of those who would rejoice to see Obama, Michelle, or his girls shot dead in cold blood; that extreme group to whom if this would happen,…it would “make… their… day.”
Is the NRA’s extremism eroding the 2nd Amendments rights for all? It did in New York. The tone-deaf policies of Wayne LaPierre really pissed both Democrats AND REPUBLICANS off up there. As a result, probably due to anger against the NRA more than anything else, New York just exercised their rights under the Constitution and and set the cause of gun rights back 225 years..
It is the NRA’s fault.
How?
If someone has a viewpoint on a topic of no concern to you, let us randomly pick….. tariffs on Paraguay, whatever transpires pro or con affects you …. say, not at all… You couldn’t care less.
Now say, a proponent of extending those tariffs follows you around, stalks you, and whenever he can get close enough, he punches you in the head. You start to develop an opinion. That opinion is not favorable to extending those tariffs….. In fact, you start to take an interest in purposefully defeating that tariff extension, and maybe get personal satisfaction that it is having such a hard time going forward…
You really have no concern that by not extending them 4 million Paraguay citizens would lose employment and fall into destitute poverty. By your natural inclination (until you started getting beaten up), you probably would have supported helping Paraguayans escape poverty… You are not really mad at the cause; but for some reason you just hate the lobbyist….
After today, card carrying NRA members owning guns in New York 1) should burn their NRA membership card. 2) join the Democratic Party which WILL protect the 2nd amendment, as long as lobbyists for the NRA aren’t punching them in the head….
No one can blame New York state for doing what they did after the Newtown tragedy. You should blame the NRA for bullying legislators so aggressively that they enacted even more Draconian measures than would have been effective….
Dragging the president’s daughters into the fight, questioning their need for security, suggests that the NRA is slipping further away from the mainstream. Gun-rights supporters deserve a better advocate.
So yes, the NRA is losing it…. Let’s review.
After Newtown, LaPierre called for all schools to have armed police officers in place. “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre said. We NEED an OK Coral shootout in each of our schools.
A shooting-range app for the iPhone and iPad branded as an “Official NRA Licensed Product” where the targets are children’s coffins, was released on the one-month anniversary of the Newtown massacre.
After meeting with Vice President Joe Biden on gun control, the NRA accused Obama of an “agenda to attack the Second Amendment,” a gross distortion of the president’s position. Please see the mild recommendations Biden proposed.
Now let us review just what the NRA’s actions caused in New York, shall we:
TOUGHTEST gun ban in The nation just signed into law
1) Any gun holding over SEVEN rounds- out.
2) Any gun with ONE military feature- out. If you have one you must register it.
3) Closes every loophole on gun shows and private sales.
4) Background checks- mandated for EVERY purchase.
5) For ammo too- Mandated for EVERY purchase.
After spending $17 million this past election cycle in support of Republicans, the New York Republican Senate and the Democratic House, just passed the first NRA Backlash Bill in the nation. More states to follow soon…
The issue is an emotional one; the NRA is firing up the wrong emotions against gun lovers everywhere….
Burn your card. Pay them zero. Donate to the Democratic Party…
These actions are what will finally put thoughtful practices into place, like those done the day before in a completely Democratic state… Delaware under Governor Jack Markell, Lt. Governor Matt Denn, and Attorney General Beau Biden proposed much more moderate policies…
If you live in Democratic Delaware, you get to keep your guns.
kavips 
