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Here is where I’m at so far…. ax + by = 6c + 6d = 0 is what I come up with… too many variables to be solvable…
Need help on this… can anyone help?
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April 13, 2014 at 4:44 pm
Blue and red
April 13, 2014 at 4:56 pm
Are you sure? Please how your work.. Common Core does not accept answers with no work attached. lol. But I still can’t see it. How long did it take for you to figure it out? Do you know where the secret answers are kept? Apparently i didn’t get them….
April 13, 2014 at 5:00 pm
And I’m soliciting everyone…. Mind if you tell me what grade level you think this should be? ( I pluged John’s answers and he is right btw… (just shows he is smarter than either Mark Murphy and Jack Markell who passed on this)…..)
April 13, 2014 at 5:19 pm
no direction on how many of each color to be used in each level. Blue and Red are only two, that when added, are divisible by 6.
I love math.
April 13, 2014 at 5:25 pm
this is 7-9th grade level. Pre-algebra/algebra
April 13, 2014 at 5:26 pm
oh yeah, 9 levels.
April 13, 2014 at 6:56 pm
Did it really take you 40 minutes?
April 13, 2014 at 6:58 pm
And it was given to 4th grade students……
April 13, 2014 at 7:37 pm
no, it took me about 35 seconds.
April 13, 2014 at 9:13 pm
So THAT… is why you are on the Board of Education…. 🙂
I guess those behind putting such a question on the 4th Grade Smarter Balanced Assessment are saying, being on a board of education is so easy, that someone passing 4th grade SBA test can do it? lol.
April 13, 2014 at 10:39 pm
Don’t use “algebra”. It’s such a scary word. use logic. since it has to use all the blocks of those two colors, the total of them has to be divided by 6 and be a whole number. otherwise you would have a remainder.
So in my 4th grade world in the 60s I wouldn’t have known how to do this because I didn’t have division with remainders until 5th grade. Darn, how did I ever get into college??
April 13, 2014 at 10:45 pm
I think I first saw a problem like this on my SAT’s… I was rather proud that at that time, I could figure it out by myself…
So why are we doing this to 9 year olds? Is it really because the test makers are all Miloševićs with abusive personalities?
April 14, 2014 at 5:59 am
The issue isn’t that this is too hard for rourth graders – it is within the grasp of fourth grade math. The issue is whether the fourth graders have been prepared to identify and solve the problem. That is what is so scary for adults.
April 14, 2014 at 8:15 am
Can’t agree. I think the concepts are actually too advanced to teach children of this age… I remember I wasn’t even taught division at this age. There are too many variables here and one has to be well pre-trained in what to look for, in order to pick out the relevant ones.. Especially if this test is timed, and if one is figuring it out for their first time; this is college material, not 4th grade…
it is certainly not grounds to hold a 4th grade child back because they can’t solve what most professional adults would have trouble figuring out. It is certainly not grounds to hold back a raise for, or to fire any teacher whose students can’t readily jump through this mental hoop hidden with almost unlimited variables. it is certainly not grounds for closing a school and turning it over to a charter, because its 4th graders can’t yet solve college level problems…
A fourth grader should be able to tell you what is 234 plus 432 ..or 432 minus 234; ; that is pushing the boundaries of their capabilities…This is why Common Core needs to go. It is mentally cruel to children…
April 14, 2014 at 8:58 am
A fourth grade might actually have an easier time with this problem because ther minds aren’t cluttered with algebra.
I don’t agree that fourth graders aren’t developmentally ready for this kind of math. They are, and this is what Common Core is consistently saying, that the standards need to be raised to compete internationally. To do that, the math might have push past the comfort levels of us old fuddy-dudddies.
I don’t have the data but I bet US fourth graders are lagging behind the developed world. And if they are not, what a great chance to pull ahead.
If the student has done 50 to 100 similiar word problems prior to this test, and knows their times tables fluently, this one will be no problem for most.
April 14, 2014 at 9:14 am
“cluttered with algebra” what does this mean? Algebra is bad? How else do you find missing variables in an equation?
April 14, 2014 at 9:15 am
Also, are you seriously on the “international competition” red herring?
April 14, 2014 at 9:26 am
Mike is probably responding to the initial PISA scores which come out 5 weeks before the data from the questionnaires is released, almost giving reformers a window to decry the state of America education… Perhaps he should check this out first…. .
April 14, 2014 at 9:38 am
I’m sure one can find genius fourth graders able to grasp this concept… I doubt there are a large number who can do so, My guess is it would hover around 1%… no matter how much one went over the material… Their brains should not be doing this at this time…. They really need to be learning through playing, which will provide perspective so later, they’ll be able as did the adults, to apply the same theories of logic we ourselves formulated over years of adult experience, to solve the arbitrary puzzle surprisingly put before them..
Assassin’s Creed III has more credible educational value than Common Core at this stage… And what is most sad, is that if children in the 4th grade are not able to pick up on and solve this adult experienced theorizing problem, then they will be lost in the 5th, 6th, and forever… Because Common Core is a series of steps… They have to get it in the 4th, to go on to the 5th….
This is madness, Especially if one steps back and looks at it clearly…..
April 14, 2014 at 9:47 am
In your assessments, I notice perhaps that you may be using your children’s abilities to assess the capacity of a student’s grasp at this age… Children whose parents read to them at home, whose health is good and can attend school regularly, who do not live in fear of crime and violence, who enjoy stable housing and continuous school attendance, whose parents’ regular employment creates security, who are exposed to museums, libraries, music and art lessons, who travel outside their immediate neighborhoods, and who are surrounded by adults who model high educational achievement and attainment will, on average, achieve at higher levels than children without these educationally relevant advantages…
But what if you take all those away, but give them the same mental capacity? Is it fair to expect children not privy to such luxuries to be able to have the logical grasp based solely on their life experiences to do adult logic problems by the age of 9?
April 14, 2014 at 11:27 am
Here’s what the mainstream media will NOT tell you about 2012 PISA. When comparing U.S. schools with less than 10% of students qualifying for free/reduced lunch, here’s how U.S. students (of which almost 25% are considered poor by OECD standards and of which nationally on average about 50% qualify for free/reduced lunch) rank compared to all other countries including one I chose to purposely compare – Finland (of which about 5% are considered poor by OECD standards):
*Shanghai is disqualified for obvious reasons.
U.S. schools with less than 10% free/reduced – score=556 [1st in the world]
Finland – ranked 4th in the world
U.S. schools with less than 10% free/reduced – score=559 [1st in the world]
Finland – ranked 5th in the world
U.S. schools with less than 10% free/reduced – score=540 [5th in the world]
FInland – ranked 11th in the world
April 15, 2014 at 8:23 am
another one bites the dust: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140414/PC1603/140419649/dept-of-education-pulls-out-of-smarter-balanced-testing-on-common-core-standards
July 6, 2014 at 5:34 pm
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