I’m not the only one comparing Egypt with Iran (79).. Both were populist revolts against dictators, both were lifting off oppressive regimes.
As the people poured into Tehran, Carter did not give them support. We were too tied to the Shah. Thereby when he left, there was a period where the population looked around, saying “what do we do now?”
Khomeini, was in France. He quickly packed and moved back to Iran, and the mullahs, who were the only structure left in that nation, by default, became the government. One that was quite hostile to the US; and considering we supported their oppressor, one would expect they should be…
But for a moment, there was hopefullness. Perhaps here was a new American revolution, where a government was ruled by its citizens, and not … vice versa. There was jubilation, hope, and joy.
Women lost the social gains they had made under the Shah, and were forced to wear head coverings and full-body cloaks called chadors. Opponents were imprisoned and tortured as ruthlessly as under the Shah. A parliamentary democracy existed mostly on paper, with true authority residing with the mullahs. With the Shah in exile, Khomeini identified the U.S. as “the Great Satan” and an “enemy of Islam.”
We seemed to be on the same track in Egypt. The Obama administration was proceeding too cautiously, voicing support for Mubarak to finish his term. That made Egyptians view us suspiciously. Was the United States unwilling to see just how hated Mubarak really was? Could they not gauge the hatred which average Egyptians felt towards this man?
Obama was pulling a Carter… Fortunately for the world, instead of a Walter Mondale, he has a Joe Biden (he’s from Delaware, you know) who steps up and speaks from the heart, as would Jackson, Lincoln, Cleveland, Truman, other leaders also cut from the common cloth…
Joe Biden is needed in Egypt. The Obama team is too blind. Their backing Suleiman will backfire. He is known as “The CIA’s Man in Cairo.” for his his ardent anti-Islamism, his willingness to talk and act tough on Iran –
Mubarak knew that Suleiman would command an instant lobby of supporters at Langley and among ‘Iran nexters’ in Washington – not to mention among other authoritarian mukhabarat-dependent regimes in the region. Suleiman is a favourite of Israel too; he held the Israel dossier and directed Egypt’s efforts to crush Hamas by demolishing the tunnels that have functioned as a smuggling conduit for both weapons and foodstuffs into Gaza.
Obviously this is not what the Egyptians, those sleeping out in the cold to protest another day, crowds who stop rioting to bow their heads, ex-patriots who are abandoning their European jobs to fight for their homeland against tyranny and oppression, want…
No! America needs to be like France was to us during our similar Revolution. “What do you need?” “I have it if you can deliver?” ” can put our fleet off Yorktown for a week, can you be there?
Only then, if we support the people, … it won’t matter who becomes the ruler. Whoever it is, will be beholden to the people, a people who will love the United States of America.. … Instead of the Great Satan, we become the Great Angel…..
We can do this: and Delaware’s own Joe Biden has taken the lead. His words rippled through Tahrir square like wildfire……
On the other hand the person to whom Obama seems to be willing to throw his support, figured predominantly as Egypt’s torturer-in-chief, during the days of rendition by the US of terror suspects to extract information. At least one person extraordinarily rendered by the CIA to Egypt — Egyptian-born Australian citizen Mamdouh Habib — was reportedly tortured by Suleiman himself.
Equally embarrassing for the Obama administration, is Suleiman’s involvement in the famous torture evidence erroneously proving a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda. It was later refuted. His whereabouts were, in fact, a secret for years, until April 2009 when Human Rights Watch researchers investigating the treatment of Libyan prisoners encountered him in the courtyard of a prison. Two weeks later, on May 10, al-Libi was dead, and the Gaddafi regime claimed it was a suicide.
According to Evan Kohlmann, who enjoys favored status among US officials as an ‘al-Qaeda expert’, citing a classified source: ‘Al-Libi’s death coincided with the first visit by Egypt’s spymaster Omar Suleiman to Tripoli.
Are we putting in another Shah? Another spymaster who will torture and use fear to exert control? We’re doomed if we do…
Better to let the middle class do whatever it is they want, elect whoever it is they want…. Forget the ruler… support the people…
Joe Biden knows this….
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February 10, 2011 at 8:58 am
Duffy
No! America needs to be like France was to us during our similar Revolution. “What do you need?” “I have it if you can deliver?” ” can put our fleet off Yorktown for a week, can you be there?
If you think that France was acting out of some sort of congenial sense of fraternity you’re wildly off the mark. If you’re thinking something like they really really wanted to screw the British, then you’re much closer.
Also, let Joe Biden talk for more than 10 minutes and he’ll alienate everyone on every side. Remember his genius idea to partition Iraq?
Where is the “smart diplomacy” that we were told was coming? Why was the Obama administration so completely asleep? Why has their response been flat footed and milquetoast?
He skirted the uprisings in Iran a few years ago. Too much of a headache. He tried to sidestep this one too and it ain’t working.
February 10, 2011 at 2:49 pm
kavips
well, … if you are implying the the French over 235 years ago were applying a more sophisticated version of diplomacy than we do at the moment, I’d have to agree.
The French were acting and seen as our friends for one part, to disrupt the British. They were in a war at that time I remember correctly….
But they did it with such subtlety, that Americans were forever grateful, (until a small faction two centuries later decided to eat “freedom fries” )
Currently we are not at war with a nation state, but we are at war with a amorphous philosophy called terrorism. So I guess the same could be said with us, that we befriend and support the Egyptian people, whether for noble or practical gain, and move forward with that, we are doing it for our own self interest.
It would be noble to compare our two cold wars. One with the Soviets and the other with Arabs. On the Soviet front, we were an enemy of the state, but a beacon of hope for its oppressed people. In Arab countries like Tunisia, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt, we are tight with the “state”, and therefore we’ve become the “Great Satan” to its people…
One scenario is controlled: we never fought the Soviet Union except by proxies. The other reached inside us and struck the heart of our financial center and defense establishment.
Trust the people is all I’m saying. There are many more of them, and you can whittle away at the states if you have the people underneath of them in your corner…. 🙂
Ideals mean something….
Which is why Joe Biden should be the spokesperson. Alienating people to resolve differences, is a good trait and one that is in short supply today. (Ask anyone who has been to Kirkuk, lately .. The tri-division of Iraq still makes sense and may one day evolve for that very reason…) If it does, we can look back and say he would have prevented Civil War.